Powerful And Unpolished

Good day everyone. Welcome to Powerful and Unpolished. I'm Tim Salmans, I'm your host. We are having another episode of, checking out the book and the material from the book and, just taking an opportunity to go down a different path. I have a divine, wonderful friend of mine joining me today, Nanette Levin.

So Nanette is, How can I say this? she's not only the editor of my book, but she's like the divine voice that helped bring cohesiveness to the message that I was bringing, if I can say it that way. Nanette has, Man, she's so skilled and versed from what I know of her. I'm just gonna share this with you.

She has a lot of business background, marketing background, writing awareness, exceptional expertise. we can go. she's been in private, Practice and I don't even know if private practice is right, but she tell me, have you been in, 'cause I mean you, you've done some, what is it representation as far as, through, as we've had our discussions, you've had some representation through, holding office for civil service and things like that.

Is that what I understand? No, I was on town council for four years in a, very small town.

And the reason why I bring that up is it's just my experience of Nanette is that she has so many areas to explore. And whenever we get into these conversations that her and I have, we go many directions.

We're gonna try to keep it cohesive for you today, but I wanted to introduce Nanette. Nanette, thank you very much for joining us today.

And thank you, Tim, for the glowing and very kind introduction.

I gotta fluff it up, it's, actually, I really don't have to fluff it up.

This is just a few of the things that you do. we brought Annette in because like I said, we always have some really great banter back and forth, and I always thought it'd be really good if we could have some of these conversations where we're just exploring topics and ideas.

And so I said. Nanette, what if I gave you the reins and let you take, ask questions and take us where we want to go? And we'll explore, and I'll give you, the best me that I can come up with and, see where the conversation takes us. How does that sound?

Sound great. Okay. So now you have the reigns.

Where would you like to explore today, Nanette?

I think probably a good place to start is the fact that you really resisted writing this book. You had a lot of signals coming to you. It's something you should do, and it didn't feel right until it did. Can you talk a little bit about that?

The resistance is real?

Yeah, I can talk about it. I can talk about it now. I had this book, how can I say the, I had this book coming to me, through many different like experiences that I was having in life over the course of about eight or nine years. The insights I thought were insightful and helpful and powerful for me, but I was like, why do I need to put this out?

What's I had really no need to be the center of attention. I was like, okay, this is good information. Let me play with it and work with it and put it into practice for myself. And, but I realized that as I was working with. My corporate clients, as I was working with private clients, this information was valid to them.

And when I really started to see how people were so caught up in the struggle, but they weren't able to see for themselves where they were either an instigator, a perpetuator of the struggle that they were caught up in. Finally, we, I don't know if it was, I don't think it had anything to do with Covid, to be honest with you, but I saw more and more people in a reactionary state, and I thought, all right, fine.

I this can help someone, make their path a little bit more relatable, then why not do it?

Can you talk a little bit more about being an instigator? you used that term as a theme in the book, but also as you were describing why you wanted to write the book.

Being an instigator for me, it was sometimes when I think of instigator, the first thought that I think of is people drawing other people out, activating, So for me, I was never a person. This is gonna be a strange tangent, but I, growing up, I hated fighting. It just, the energy of fighting was just, didn't make sense to me. And I knew some guys that it was like entertainment for them. That was just so bizarre. And so when I would watch them instigate each other just to, or even bully or pick on other people, it was just like, that was just not my thing for me, instigating and really bringing this book out so that people can challenge themselves.

It wasn't to be confronting, it was to be hopefully a voice in the darkness that. Has been there for a while, but they haven't actually addressed it. And so it wasn't to, evoke some sort of a reaction. It was really just an invitation for someone to open up to what was possible for them, what's possible for them on their path.

So when you use the term instigator, I think we're talking about how an individual. Is affecting their life circumstances. A lot of people have a tendency to blame the environment, to blame politics, to blame others, and I know you talk a lot in this book about concepts like bullying, like power grabs, but also personal issues where people are assigning blame outside of themselves.

As an individual instigating their own Latin life, what can people do to make a shift there?

That's a good read on, the book that, we put together that a good read for people, I believe is, I'm just gonna say it this way. I've said this to a number of clients that I've worked with over the years.

When they come back at me about whatever reason or struggle and their. They're almost arguing for the reason, they're almost arguing for the struggle. And the common question that I'll ask them is, who promised you a good day? and it's not to be, adversarial, but we forget that this is an opportunity.

Most of the time, the reason why people are. Caught up in suffering is that they're holding expectations that are unrealistic and they're not responsible for how they're engaging or having a relationship with whatever issue they're dealing with, to instigate. For somebody to look into themselves, to instigate, for someone to consider that the person in the mirror needs a little bit more grace, a little bit more respect.

From themselves rather than demanding or requesting or expecting it from the world around them. Can
you give an example?

The example that comes to me is, and I've seen it in a number, so this is a general example, but I've seen it in a number of different, jobs I've worked throughout my lifetime where people feel that they're owed respect because of a title or position that they hold, and it's no respect is earned.

I know a lot of people who want it to be given and expect it to be given, but if you really want respect to be a healthy, relational engagement, then essentially you have to realize that it's up to me to build that bridge. It's up to me to earn the respect. think about it. you wanted one example.

It's as an EMTI worked with, I trained and also worked with, a number of police officers. And certain police officers had certain tendencies because of their personality to be a lot of it, a little bit or a lot, a bit more domineering. And then the other ones that I knew who I really had high respect for, high regard for.

They knew where they stood. They, actually controlled the scene and they gave respect as well as offered respect to build that with whoever they were, interacting with, whether it was a traffic stop. usually whenever I would cross paths with them, it was more like through training environments.

How are they interacting with the public and what are the tendencies of how they show up for themselves. Sometimes I would in, I would train investigators and they would have a good reason for why they came in with the mindset that they came in with. The thing was, is the person in the room didn't know their mindset before they came in.

So assuming that I have a badge and I have a position and I have an accusation, now you better help. You better help me. It was like, no, the skilled quality investigators that I had the privilege of working with, no. They came in and they were like, they treated the training situation.

I have this accusation, I'm gonna find out who this person is, what their motivations are. So I don't know if that, does that help? Does that make sense with the example?

So getting back to your decision to write the book, what ultimately prompted you to take the clu?

Good question. And I, having sat with that question, I don't know if this is gonna make sense, but I'm just gonna say humanity.

We get in a time where we get so lost in reaction to our culture to our. The programming and conditioning, which is one of the chapters in the book, the programming and conditioning around us and how we fight to validate. And the real purpose of writing this book is, we are of a divine essence not to get all, not religious or spirit, spiritual or whatever.

It's just there is so much more to us than just this carbon. Being that's here. 'cause if we were just carbon beans and we wouldn't have the expression and the creativity and everything that we have in this world, and we've gone further and further it seems like in the last handful of decades where it's like we've lost sight of the humanity that is up to us to bring to a situation.

It's not that little box that you hold in your hand. It's not that big old giant screen that you have on your wall, that's really not your world. you may, be sold on it, you may buy into it. You may have every justification in the world for it. But the world that you have is the guy that's sitting next to you in the cubicle next to you or the lady who's, taking care of your kids or anybody who you have direct interaction with.

That's your world. And I think people have forgotten that they've gotten so caught up into these, screens that they live through. They lose themselves and they will fight to the death over what's on that screen or what's in their hand. But God forbid they actually have to go look in the mirror and say, wait a minute, I can be a human being to someone.

And not just, they don't have to be exactly like me. we've gotten into this programming and conditioning where propaganda is more important. I can buy into that. I've got a good story. It entertains me. I look at all the evidence and proof that I have, and it's like going, that isn't even the food that you're putting in your mouth.

That's not even the opportunity to interact with your spouse or the opportunity to interact with your kids in a different way. So humanity. Humanity is the reason why this book exists.

One of the things that really struck me is the timeliness of this book, particularly given our current political situation.

And I don't care if you're in the United States and are a Republican or a Democrat or an independent, or if you're in another country. there's just so much strife right now focused on politics around the world. I think that you have some interesting messages for people who are quickly and automatically joining bandwagon causes in an US versus them mindset scenario.

Can you talk about that a little bit?

Yeah. I can pontificate forever on stuff like this. It's, first off, I just wanna sit here and say. Is about what's wrong. This is about really discovering and cultivating and working with what's right. It's easy to go to what's wrong. It's easy to blame, it's easy to justify.

It's, such, a low vibration, weak energy, but it's so prevalent. That's why it's so easy. But human beings, and I've seen it time and time again when I was growing up, I used to love like blizzards or major snowstorms because you'd have neighbors that kind of, interacted and stuff like this.

But when your car's stuck or it slides into ice and you know you need help, you have perfect strangers. You have people who come in, it rattles the, day in, day out programming. The humanity comes out, and you help strangers, and it's, to me, it's that higher essence of who we are.

That's why a human being is a very powerful, dynamic creature.

But I have to say, I having spent a good number of years living in a rural community, that is part and parcel of that. Mentality. And I, I guess in a really small rural community, it's hard to say anybody's helping strangers, but everybody jumps in and helps everybody else without any expectation for reciprocity.

And it's just a wonderful bottle for, a lot of negative things out there about rural communities, but there is nothing like the way people, Quickly and automatically help each other in need in a rural community.

And the thing is, I, from what I know about that, through people who have lived in rural communities, that's definitely something to really appreciate.

The interesting thing is then you still have people who get caught up in their labels of, I'm a rural community, you're an urban community. We have different worlds and different realities, and it's like going, you may. But you're still a human being, experiencing an opportunity of engagement or disengagement.

that's an interesting point. I will say when I came into the little town of Platter, we were known as city folk, but we were also, or I should say, I was quickly embraced and wound up in, you mentioned earlier, this town council election. I defeated a tenure incumbent. And a lot of that was because they were pushing something that the community didn't want and they weren't listening to the community.

But a, lot of it was because even if I didn't know people, I guess people knew me.

So you had, an impact.

Yeah. Yeah. But all that said, yes we came in with city folk label, but I think a lot of that was a bit tongue in cheek there. There was a little bit of an us versus them and them.

And I've certainly seen the challenges that happen in these small communities when wealthy people come in and either pay way more than a property's worth, which affects. People's tax load or think that they know more than anybody who lives there and want to get involved in development or commercial type ventures.

But I think for the most part, at least in my experience, a rural community has a tendency to mimic what it is that you're preaching.

Oh, and that, as you were sharing that, the thing that came to mind for me was that they don't seem to be lost in those screens. the big screen on the wall or the little screen in their hand, it's no, we won't.

They're working. We know our neighbors and, we interact and to me it's when you have that opportunity to really, connect and pay it forward. that's why, I do that practice. I don't do it all the time, but I've done it very commonly and. It's always just reaped benefits to, you see someone in a restaurant and I, my wife and I, we've done this a few times.

We'll see a young couple in a restaurant, we'll buy their dinner for 'em, and they don't know that it's us or the person standing behind you. You buy their cup of coffee, and sometimes they'll pay it forward or it's just one of those ask acts of kindness, but. It's not for any sort of glorification or saying, Hey, I did this for you.

it's anonymous. every once in a while they have a tendency to find out, like when the guy right behind you says, no, you don't have to do that or whatever, then you're like going, eh, you could pay it forward then, and it happens. But I think around the world, there's a lot of that happens in the world that really gives us.

Insight and feedback, and it's not based on, again, on the big giant screen on the wall or the one in your hand. People think that they get informed that way. You get, manipulated, you get moved in a certain direction. Oftentimes, to me, it's, whether, it's this, I guess the thing that I'm trying to, the point that I'm trying to get to is this a big aspect of why we did, why I did this book, why this book, I think came to me was I was a con in continual pondering of.

How can I better myself? How can I make my situation better? How can I not be in reaction to what's going on so much? And it's really interesting when you look at our culture here in the United States or in other, like what are considered, first world countries, statistically it's been proven that there's a lot more mental health issues in these countries than people who are.

And this is just air quotes here, people who are living in squalor in third world countries and it's no, these are people who are actually really living the human experience. And an entitlement isn't my WiFi's out, the, entitlement is, wow, I have some clean drinking water for myself and my family.

That should humble any of us.

One thing that I find amazing is how much of what we do is subconscious. How much of what we do is driven by habits and patterns and things that we're reacting to that we aren't even aware are driving our decisions. And I know you talk about habits and patterns and conditioning and those kinds of issues a lot.

Can you talk a little bit about how that affects people's behavior and how to get out

of those holes? we're human beings and human beings are wired for efficiency. So there's gonna be patterns there. we, in the book I reference, a young woman who was doing a study at the University of Southern California, I believe, and she found that up to 45% of our decisions.

Weren't even decisions that they were really just patterns that we had been living. So almost half of our day was we, think we're intentional, but really it was just an old pattern. patterns will always be a part of our life. We will always be dealing with our autopilot 'cause we all get on autopilot.

The thing that I had to come to terms with myself when I was thinking about my own autopilot is when we're on autopilot, there is no pilot. Like we think that we are so independent that we are responsible, when in fact it's like we're just going through the motions and the opportunity to be and develop a relationship with that.

Allows us, oh, wait a minute. I know I'm on autopilot here. I know that I am in procrastination. I know that I'm in avoidance. things like that. Then what we do is we go, okay, I'm going to, I know this pattern. I know it's a familiar pattern, and I'll tell you in my world, growing up with the schooling practices that I went through and the rebellion that I went through on my own, Maybe that's one thing. I don't know. It just hits me right now. Maybe that's one thing that, that I had an awareness of my autopilot a little bit sooner than probably most, but it's only because I was using it all over the place. it was a saving grace for me for a long time. And I realized there was also a lot of negativity, a lot of pattern of.

Self-destruction that was taking place for myself. And, but yet I felt victimized by my life. I felt life was happening to me. And so it's that aspect of, there's a great quote, I heard this probably 20, 30 years ago, but it was like an, an amazing thing happens when you take responsibility for your life.

There's no one to blame. Very simple quote, but it's, yeah. When you take responsibility, real responsibility, not the concept, but the actual behaviors behind it, it's amazing what happens. It's like we start to get real with, all right, what am I doing to cultivate this energy, this situation, this person in my life?

Like we, we create space for our own misery and we cultivate it. That's why, and I've said this on some podcasts before, and I've said this on, I think maybe referencing it in the book, but you ever know that person who always has their drama and trauma happening in their life and it's it's a common part of their.

It's part of their autopilot. It's part of what keeps them, because without that misery, without that situation, they may not know who they are without it.

I see that with certain people that I interact with. The fascinating observation though, and when you put it in that context, it gives you a little more understanding about why they seem to always be fixated on what's not right.

Instead of what

May be going and that's the thing with all the work that we do, the book itself is, really just a seed. There's, so much to, to draw and grow and evolve from that information. We're human beings. We're still human beings. But if we have the internal strength, if we tap into the magnificence that we are as these creatures, these human creatures, we're more than we give ourselves permission for.

There's a book out there called, the Big Leap by Gay Hendricks. And they speak of, the upper limit problem. And it's a very valid perspective that, you know, people who can be incredibly successful and really get things done, but they always seem to hit this ceiling. They keep hitting the ceiling and it's 'cause they're hitting up against.

What they believe is that limitation. Like it's, this is as far as I can go, li life is gonna do this to me. Or you could only get so far. And it's like no matter how successful they're, they could be multi multimillionaires, they could make 20,000 a year. It's whatever that ceiling is for that individual.

And that's why when we talk about responsibility and we talk about what's capable in a human being. And the work that we do, which is really about cultivating those awarenesses and relationships so that it's like you can really start to build and create new neurons, new pathways for your thinking, for your execution, for your opportunity to under, not only understand why you do what you do, or maybe part of what you do, 'cause I'll tell you, no matter how smart you get. You're still gonna be dealing with the human experience, and I don't care how rich you get, you're still gonna be, I've had people, multi multimillion dollars crying on my shoulder because they couldn't figure out their girlfriend or they couldn't figure out their family situation.

And it was very real. it's, it's, a relative experience and having that opportunity to, I. Give somebody the space to allow them to be vulnerable and open up so that they can learn for themselves what's capable inside of them. That's a big deal. And I, sorry, I'm going off on this a little bit, but there's this, you had talked about why this time, why now, why is, this is a time now and it's because I think, and we touch on it in the book too, but if you really think about.

Back in the day when, I'm an actor by trade, right? So back in the day, they used to put together these Christian type plays that they would go around and they would take around, they were spiritual plays in wagons, and they'd go around to villages. And this was a way to, engage the villagers with this education, with this information.

It was a, certain way to teach them and, things like that. And the opportunity of what those were is to see what the morality of the play is, or the lessons from the play was really so that you could see it so you didn't have to repeat it. maybe by watching it, you now learn something and you would have stronger choices moving forward.

And, then Shakespeare comes along. And between his, ability to create his own language and, his artistry and his thumb on the human expression was amazing, right? And, it was still there so that people could see these, chaotic, dramatic toxic interactions and relationships, hoping that the audience members can see this, learn from it, and not have to go repeat it.

I'm afraid that as our human animal, how we've gotten on autopilot is that we have gone, especially since computers and the internet and the wifi last 20, 25 years, everything has just blown up and it is now about entertainment, not information, not awareness, not education. It is about entertainment.

And no matter how much somebody is, look at some of these influencers. They're very, they live these lifestyles and all it is clickbait. Look at me, See, look at me now look at me. I have all this money 'cause you're all looking at me. So I have all this, I have all this grandioseness.

Look at me and it's like, where's the substance? Where's the substance? You've gotten so into the entertainment that the substance of information, the substance of relatability, and this isn't a blame the influencer thing. This is just understanding the relational dynamic between the masses being attached to that big giant screen on the wall or in their hand, and the influencers capitalizing on it.

And it's distorting reality. You had mentioned that you have a deep background in acting, and I know that improv has been a big part of that for you, and you draw some really interesting analogies and also hold improv up as a great example of how to. Interact with people more effectively as you sort through issues in your head.

Can you talk a little bit about that?

Yeah, I think, first off, I will say this first and foremost, even though I'm an actor, even though I like being out in the world, my base operating function is I'm an introvert. I get really charged. I get my recharge and everything when I escape and go into my world for a while and charge myself back up, and then I bring it back out to the world.

Doesn't mean that I don't enjoy extroverted stuff, I do. So that's the first caveat. The second caveat is this is improvisation still rattles my cage, but I think it's one of the greatest gifts that I ever gave to myself as a professional, gave to myself as a human being. And it's that. Being able to have a relationship with the unknown in the moment, which is why most people freak out.

I've been doing, I've been acting in some form or fashion for 35 years, but for 28 of those years it's been, a large part of it has been simulation training, experiential training, experiential learning. I understand how it rattles the learners who come in and see us because we are these authentic families that they're oh, this is just a training.

This is just this. And then all of a sudden when they maybe don't say the right thing or they don't say something that's, that plays well with this because they're in a position of hierarchy over me or my family, all of a sudden they get pushback and it's like it throws 'em off. And the thing about improvisation that I think is exceptional is the number one first rule.

Any improvisational no, is it's yes, and whatever you get, whatever life brings you, whatever the situation brings you, whatever person offers or throws at you, you accept the energy, you accept the information, and you handle it or change it or hand it back in a different way. It's not, oh, I don't want that.

It's not the rejection, it's like improvisation. if I could teach and train, any of the clients or communities that I work in, if I could train them to be comfortable with being uncomfortable, like improvisation gives you, their world will completely turn 180 degrees. I've seen it happen in people's lives.

They do it professionally. They do it not, necessarily actor wise, but they've taken an improvisation class and it's helped them in their public speaking. It's helped them in their, mentoring. It's helped them in their ability to teach or lead. there's so many directions we can jump off on this, but improvisation is an exceptional tool.

And if you're, and there are some people who love that kind of stuff. They love just going out there and winging it and stuff like this and God bless 'em, good for that. But it's a great tool.

Can you expand on the Yes. And as it pertains to. Personal thought processing. I understand it from the improv standpoint, but can you explain a little better how somebody could use that as they're dealing with challenges in their life outside of the improv theater?

Each and every one of us has our own path, right? We, have our history where we come from. We're going forward and as we're going forward, we are, what we are doing in the present is helping to create wherever this path has taken us. Whether, the person listening to this agrees with that or not.

Elemental. I can sit here and say, let's go and look at your evidence and how you created your life thus far. 'cause that's pretty much what we do, right? How the yes and helps someone is when you understand that there is the ability to humble yourself. You are, you're not a victim to your life. That's, when I say humble yourself, it's that there is an energy, there is something greater, helping, guiding whatever the, essence that we are.

Okay. And when life brings you something, the practice I've gotten into is I go, yes. And, the yes and is. Why is this information or situation coming to me at this time with what I'm dealing with in my world? What am I, what's available to me to get out of it or do something with it? The yes and means for me that I take an, it doesn't mean that I don't have a reaction.

I still have reactions. We're human beings, we're gonna have reactions. I just don't let the reaction have me, which is what a lot of. Our programming and can, it's not what I wanted or what I expected.

Yeah. So are you suggesting then that the, and is looking for opportunities in difficult situations or something else?

It's opportunities or it's insight. Sometimes it might just be information to ourselves to say, is this really a hill that you wanna die on? Is this a battle you wanna take on? What information is in this that makes you uncomfortable, and why are you uncomfortable? most people don't, they don't think in that process, and that's why, I bring this all back to humanity is this is about, this is we are all capable of doing this.

If we just become, if we just become reactionary creatures. We may as well drag our bloody mu bloody knuckles back into the cave that our ancestors crawled out of. Because the truth is you have exponentially, so much more opportunity through your own thinking, through your own potential awareness of education.

I don't know why this is coming to me, but I'm gonna throw this out there. You talked about the power grabs early on. Innately people aren't doing the Yes and they are. Why this is such a big time for me for, to put this book out and to put this information out is I am another influencer. Was, is I'm so over people using their victim state as a justification for bullion, as a justification for validating their poor me.

I'm so entitled, I deserve more. It's like going, maybe you do. Not by playing the victim in power grabbing from someone else. Why don't you go create it in a healthy way? Does that make sense? Sure it does. So we had started talking about why you decided to write the book, and I think it probably makes sense to finish with what writing this book and completing this project did to you.

Did it affect you in any way? Did it affect me in any way? it's still affecting me in a lot of ways. yeah, it affected me huge and I'm still learning what's coming from this experience, from what's available. I got more invested in the information now. Now that I've had people read the book, now that I have people come up to me and ask questions, now that we can go deeper into the information and explore how they practice, how they practice with the information, how they, how it may or may not support them.

And so I've really gotten clear. I, and, I'll just say this as a caveat, is I never. Expected that I was gonna write a book. I was not that person. I was not the person that is, oh, let me go write a book and let, me show you who I am. I love if that's your thing, great, go do it. But that was not my thing.

You that when I came to you, I was like, I don't need this. I'm like, and but the information was just coming out so much and then it really, we. 2024 was a lot of work for us. We, we worked together quite closely and, it was a great experience even though there were times it was like, your eyeballs are rolling around, like the cartoon characters, but then it was about, we got the book out and we got the book out and what I realized is I got the book out and it's not even about the book, it's about the seed that the information is to get it into people's experience.

So that it can start to produce something positive for their path, for themselves and for their psyche, and hopefully to add a little bit more humanity back into their heart because the book, inside is, the book is Inner Wisdom Outer Impact, leading Your Life From the Inside Out. That's the book.

Our company is Insights for Choice. And we have this podcast here and everything that all of these entities are about. It culminates in this, is that we are about cultivating and creating peace of mind, harmony of heart, and strength of character, because that is for us, a way to honor not only ourselves, but any human being or any sentient being, any creature.

Across from us that you can have compassion for.

I know I learned a tremendous amount while we were working on this book, and one of the things that I really appreciated about it was the information you provide that allows the reader to implement ideas immediately and see dramatic results, not earth shattering things, little things that just affect how you react and respond to life.

Minute by minute, day by day. So I appreciated that.

Cool, cool. Very cool. we're gonna do this again because, I don't know if you like this, but and we can, then even pull apart certain specific topics and let's say, all right, let's, pull this apart and let's see what's available there.

If you're up for that. Sounds good to me. So we'll definitely, get that on the schedule and play with this sort of format a little bit more. I'll still occasionally be doing the solo podcast, or I have a list of people who are starting to line up. So once I get my guests scheduled, I keep promising this, but it's I'm like, ah, I'll, I'm gonna do a solo again.

Do a solo again. I'm like, I'm sure the listener's going. Gosh, Tim, what are you gonna actually have a guest on? You Keep talking about it. But, all in all, this is a great experience. We're actually just doing this to bring light into the world. We hope that this has litten your litten, you let see, I create my own words.

We hope that this has lightened up your day, maybe brought a little insight for you and we just really wish you all the best out there. And that's why we're here to have this podcast and do this work. So I wanna thank you, Nanette. Thank you so much for being here. Thank you for having me.

Absolutely. And if you found this valuable or thought there was anything intriguing that you could pass along to a friend or, hit the like button, please do that. Every little bit helps, and we will see you on the next podcast. Until then, take care. Bye.