Aligning Values: Michelle Zink's Path to Business Success
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Tim:Good day, everybody. I wanna welcome you back to Powerful and Unpolished. I'm Tim Salmons. I'm your host. We have a wonderful guest today.
Tim:This this lovely soul that I've had the pleasure to get to know over the last, I don't know, a year and a half, 2 years maybe? Year and a half, I'd say, is Michelle Zink. Michelle Zink, and I'm gonna read her bio here so you have an idea. Michelle, she's helping women entrepreneurs align and scale and thrive. That's her that's her focus, her goal.
Tim:She is a business growth advisor and founder of Lifeaholic LLC. With over 25 years experience in leadership and entrepreneurship, Michelle combines coaching, consulting, advising to help women entrepreneurs align their businesses with their personal values and vision while scaling to sustainable growth. Michelle created the framework, the freedom framework. So she created the freedom framework, a step by step process designed to empower women to build businesses that fuel their ambitions and create freedom of time, money, and relationships. Her holistic approach integrates strategy, operations, and mindset, guiding clients to step into their roles as visionary CEOs and design businesses that work for them, not the other way around.
Tim:Before founding life Lifeaholic LLC, Michelle held executive leadership roles where she managed diverse teams, streamlined operations, and implemented strategies that drove significant growth. Now she brings this expertise to help ambitious women entrepreneurs overcome, overwhelm, and scale their business and reclaim their time for what truly matters. Michelle's clients are high achieving women who are ready to break free from the hustle, build thriving teams, and achieve success on their terms. Through her guidance, they gain clarity, confidence, and the tools to grow their businesses without sacrificing their personal lives. Outside of work, Michelle is a dedicated wife and proud mom of her 8th grade daughter, Millie.
Tim:She finds joy in spending time with her family, cheering Millie on at competitive cheerleading events, and inspiring others to create and balance, inspiring others to create balance in their lives. I wanna welcome Michelle. Thank you so much for being here today.
Michelle Zink:Thanks for having me.
Tim:Yeah. Absolutely. So, I mean, before we get, you know, too distracted, we gotta we gotta address the most important thing. So how long has Millie been doing competitive cheerleading?
Michelle Zink:So she started in 2020. So,
Tim:she
Michelle Zink:started 2019, I guess. And then we were supposed to do our first we're gonna do, like, a half year competition. And and we were in Orlando, so we were with a with a gym called Top Gun. And then COVID happened, so we we were gonna, like, test the waters with, like, a half year, and then it happened. So we didn't actually do it in 2020.
Michelle Zink:So her first full year, of competitive, because then we just went all in after that, was 2021.
Tim:Wow. I I just wanted to ask that because competitive cheerleading is that's intense. It it is amazing what the the athleticism and skill that goes into the work that they do. So, yeah, good for her.
Michelle Zink:Yeah. And I think any kid who wants to excel in any sport these days, like, it's all in. Like, even if you, you know, if you're just into school or I I remember being in dance, and I did dance, you know, since I was young till I was graduating high school. And I just went, you know, twice a week to a dance studio and I it never was pushed to do more. And now it's like you've gotta, you know, go all in.
Michelle Zink:Like, we're traveling for cheerleading, you know, you have to it's all about gymnastics and cheerleading. So it's you're right. It is a lot. And, it's just amazing how these kids today are balancing all of this weight with school and and everything else.
Tim:It's amazing. Amazing. So now that we covered the important part, let's get back to you. How, so your business, tell me about as our listeners know. So this is really, you know, a slice of life with a little bit of business or business with a slice of life.
Tim:So we're gonna really learn and dig into kinda Michelle's experience. So when you had all these years of experience, you know, working with teams and stuff like this, what was what was what was that like in the corporate world for you?
Michelle Zink:Well, it started off with me having a drive and ambition to be able to help a company grow their business through hiring experienced individuals. The org the industry I was in was manufacturing, and in that industry, a lot of times people are moved up in the organization based off of how many years they've worked for a company. It's very common for someone to work in a manufacturing company, you know, 20, 30, 40 years. You know, they kinda start there and end there. So a lot of people, move into positions based off of the years of experience with the company.
Michelle Zink:And when I started working with the manufacturing company, because I worked for the same one for 21 years. Wow. Yeah. So I started off, as their accounting manager because I had an accounting and finance degree. And when I started there, I just realized there, you know, have such a great company and the people there who were amazing, but then what could it really be if we hired, you know, people who actually had some maybe some experience in specific, areas of the business.
Michelle Zink:Right? We don't need specific industry help in certain, positions, but other ones, it was necessary. And for me, coming from an accounting and finance background, I was never taught to care about people. It was more about the numbers and doing the work. Right?
Michelle Zink:And then once I started working with these individuals, especially with the people on the floor, and and just getting to know them and, like, for instance, I remember my 1st year I was there, we were looking at implementing people were complaining because they were doing physical inventory right around Christmas every year. So for anyone who doesn't know what that means, that means they're counting all of the inventory, you know, the week of Christmas, let's just say.
Tim:Jeez.
Michelle Zink:And so people would complain to me. I was there helping out because I remember I come in and bring donuts or whatever because I'm naive and I'm young and I'm like, oh, let me bring donuts and try to make this better for everybody. And so people would complain to me and they're like, oh, I wish we didn't have to do this during Christmas time. It's a lot. And so I had learned in my undergrad about cycle counting and how you could actually set things up to be able to count every day instead of one time.
Michelle Zink:So I went to my boss and my boss was really open to, like, if I had ideas, you know, as long as they could pass the audit, because we had got audited every year, then he was fine with that. So I worked diligently on figuring out how we can set up cycle counting, how I could set it up in the computer, so that these individuals could not have the pressure, you know, and not be able to enjoy their holiday, but could actually, you know, take the time during the year, so this way they could enjoy their holiday. So it was kinda like my first step into realizing that engaging people is important to ensure that they show up for you and that they do their best.
Tim:Isn't that amazing? Now I first of all, kudos to you. I just I'm shaking I'm clapping hands over here. The fact that you had the forethought, the awareness, the consideration of others. I mean, you know, as you're sharing that story, I I kept thinking, yeah, you're you're dealing with the soul of the company because without these people, you know, showing up on time, putting in their energy, their effort, yeah, they get a paycheck and stuff like this, but there's still so much more to life.
Tim:Right?
Michelle Zink:Well, they're human. Yes. And and humans have things that come up. And then I would go, to the floor and talk to the machinist because I was helping also with job costing. So helping them figure out, like, you know, what are some variances that might happen on a product, you know, what happened maybe during this.
Michelle Zink:And it really was amazing how, they were just so grateful that someone was talking to them.
Tim:Yeah. Well and that right there is a is a distinct sign of leadership. I mean, good for you. You know, you're in a position where these people that you may know them, you may cross paths with them, but if they don't feel heard or or valued, that's a big deal. And, you know, you never know what what what you're gonna do with somebody.
Tim:So that's a great story. So is that I don't wanna make this assumption. What was the seed then that actually compelled you to go out and do your own business and create this cultivation of of supporting women entrepreneurs?
Michelle Zink:Well, I think it was a culmination of a few things. I always wanted to get myself out of a job, and so it finally came to fruition, probably, like, 5 years before I actually left because because back then, I would put roadblocks in front of myself. So it was like one of those things where I realized I was getting out of working myself out of a job. Also realized there was nowhere really to go because the only person like, I had my boss in front of me and then the owner of the business. There was a general manager, and they already had someone else lined up for that position.
Michelle Zink:So I really saw, like, I've always been someone who's wanted to grow and excel that's just in my nature. And so when you see a circumstance where, okay, there's really nowhere to go from here because I had such great growth in the organization. I mean, I started as their accounting manager. When I left, I was the chief administration executive, which what does that mean? That means, you know, I kinda was over at some points over HR, over IT, over purchasing.
Michelle Zink:I learned all about sales because if I had a break, I would help people enter in, you know, customer orders. Like, I was able to work with we accumulated some companies through the years. I helped my boss, you know, grow and, through buying some particular companies. So I was able to go and, like, help them get situated with our IT. I worked directly with our IT person.
Michelle Zink:So I had so much fun, like, really growing and learning and doing so many different things that when it came to a point where I knew it was time to leave, I just had a hard time thinking going to another company only because I didn't I realized for myself, I don't love to do the same thing every day. I remember when I graduated college and I had accounting and finance degree, and I went to a couple jobs where it was just job interviews where it's just accounts receivable. And I'm like, oh, no. I can't do that. So I took a job working for, like, a small business who had like, I think they had, like, 7 different businesses from real estate to a horse farm, and I worked there for a year, but really just getting engaged with all of the aspects of accounting.
Michelle Zink:So I knew, man, I really was exposed in this company to not only accounting, but, like, you know, so many different aspects of the business. I was able to really help grow and develop people. So I had to really start thinking about, wow, I don't see myself working for another company, so what would I wanna do? So that's kinda what started it was, number 1, kinda work my way out of it. Number 2, realize there really wasn't any growth available.
Michelle Zink:And then number 3, my desire to get out of my own fear and comfort zone Mhmm. And try something different.
Tim:Good for you. Cheers. There's there's there's there's a thing that I'm hearing here, though. So it's interesting with your accounting and finance, as you know, I mean, there's I've known a lot of accounting and finance people, and they do kinda like the this day in, day out, the predictability, right, the security, the the the process. And then here you are, there's a whole another creative level because you can get creative with numbers too.
Tim:I mean, people think, oh, the numbers are the numbers. It's like going, no, you it's how you look at them and how you apply them and stuff like this. And what I'm hearing you say is the creativity, not only from a creative standpoint, but from an inspirational standpoint. Like, it sounds like there's a degree of empathy and sympathy and acknowledgment of the human the human process of people around you and that connection.
Michelle Zink:Yes.
Tim:Tell me more about that.
Michelle Zink:Well, I think what I realized was is, you know, I came from, a life where I grew up in New Jersey, and we didn't have much. My parents were divorced. My dad was around, but my mom was the one who raised you know, I'd live with her full time. She had a 9 to 5 job working banking, and I just knew I didn't wanna be like that. I didn't wanna have, like, the paycheck to paycheck mentality.
Michelle Zink:I knew that I wanted to like, my mom, thank God for my mother, because she was an amazing role model. She really, was a very simple woman that, her main thing was just to, like, put myself put me first. Right? That was her main objective, which any child, if they had anybody who just put them first, you know, will will grow and succeed, I believe. And so, for me, you know, it's all about getting out of this mentality or this idea.
Michelle Zink:I think my biggest growth was I hired a coach for myself and realized all my thinking was getting in the way. Mhmm. Right? I leveled up to a certain level because of the thinking I had, and then the thinking I had was keeping me in a job that I wasn't happy with. Mhmm.
Michelle Zink:That was holding me back from, like, doing more and then also realizing that I wasn't just an accounting and finance person, that I had so much more inside of me. Like, I kinda knew that because I was doing different things, at the company, but then also just having the true realization that I could go further or do different things that I've never thought about. Like, I just never thought outside the box. And when I hired a coach and that's really my ambition for what I do is to help women realize that they can really when I say have it all, I mean, you wanna be the best wife, you wanna be the best mother, you wanna be the best business owner. Like, okay.
Michelle Zink:Let's define that what that is. Right? Because right away, your brain goes to best and your that means doing it all. But I'm not saying it doing your all doing it all. I'm saying having it all.
Michelle Zink:Like, so what do you really want? Because that's where people get stuck. They think they want something, but they don't specifically define what that looks like. Right? So it's kinda like, oh, well, I can't have, I'm trying to give an example.
Michelle Zink:But they'll look at someone else and be like, well, I can't have what they have because they have freedom of time. Okay. Well, what does that mean to you? Like, what is freedom from a time? Like, sometimes freedom of time could be, I wanna wake up in the morning and not have to rush.
Michelle Zink:Okay. Great. Let's look at how we can actually accomplish that. So for me, it's always been about growing and excelling and then realizing that the only thing that's really holding us back is what we're thinking.
Tim:Mhmm.
Michelle Zink:And if I can get above that, right, and then also doing that with ownership. So I feel or I know I stayed at a company longer than I could have because I always thought I could change my boss or change the people. And as soon as, like, I hired my coach and she told me, like, you can't change anybody but yourself, It was a true, like, let me take the weekend to digest that because that's really hard for me to understand because I've been trying to control and change people my whole life.
Tim:Mhmm. Wow. So when that when that started showing up, what did you notice different for you?
Michelle Zink:Well, then I started noticing that I needed to start acting differently. Right? I realized that the way that I was approaching my job was to control my boss. And once I left let that control down, what really happened was I was able to deal with the facts and the reality that was in front of me. And that's when I realized the fact is because I started working there thinking I was gonna work there the rest of my life.
Michelle Zink:Like, I literally was, like, number 1, didn't wanna work there because I went on the interview and I'm like, I don't know. And then their HR person kept on calling me, like, no. You need to come back for an interview. And I came back. I got the job.
Michelle Zink:And then when I started working there, I loved it. And I was, like, I'm gonna stay here for the rest of my life. So I think what was happening was, and this is what I help people do, is I deal with reality because and sometimes you're gonna be emotional initially about it. Right? So just allow the emotionalness to come in.
Michelle Zink:Allow yourself to be pissed off and irritated that, you know what? What I thought was gonna happen is gonna happen, and that's what I had to do. It took me maybe a little bit longer than I wanted, but that's life. But once I dealt with reality and was like, oh my goodness. Like, you're not gonna be here forever.
Michelle Zink:Okay. Well, then what do you wanna do next? That's when I can then get back to the facts and get back to what do I really want or would I really love to create. Okay? And then through that, that's when I started treating my boss differently, and then I was able to see even more truth and more facts.
Michelle Zink:And and sometime and that's gonna hurt sometimes because then you're gonna see things that you're like, darn it. Like, you know, like, you're not asking the question because you know the answer. And that was me probably for 5 years, and finally asked the question. And then once I had the answer, it was like, I can't turn back. I I heard you cannot unhear what you hear.
Michelle Zink:You cannot unsee what you see. And so when you are, like, so open to it, you have to make a change.
Tim:Absolutely. Absolutely. It's, that's why I I was so excited to get you on this this call because we have we have such similarities and crossovers in respect and yet such unique and diversity between, you know, what I do at Insights For Choice and what you do at your business, at your company. Right? Yeah.
Tim:And it's it's this aspect of as I'm hearing you speak, it's that change, you know, going back to the concept of change. People, you know, what's the one thing that's consistent in life? Change. Right? And our egos aren't really thrilled about that all the time.
Tim:It's like, no, we like what's comfortable. We we like what's predictable. And a lot of times when people do go through change, they're still in the pattern of the doing. Alright. What do I gotta do now?
Tim:What do I gotta do now? And what I'm hearing you say is you're really helping to guide them, and I call it the beingness. Who do you wanna be? Because who you wanna be will then create the doing that creates the being.
Michelle Zink:Right? Yeah.
Tim:And and far too often, we still have that strategy of, well, I've been doing this for so long, so I'm gonna change, and then I'm gonna do this. And I'm like going for in my book, I sit here or in my world, I say, you can change. Sure. But what if you just evolved? Because change is almost like I'm gonna go I'm gonna go against the grain.
Tim:I have to change something. I have to fix something. It's like going, no, you don't. That that was all a lesson. That was all information for you.
Tim:Now you have more information and a greater awareness to do something with. Why not just evolve rather than have to fix or change or do you know? And that's what as you share that, I'm just, like, going I'm like, I'm giving you high fives over here.
Michelle Zink:Well, I love that. Right? Because that's the thing that I feel like high achievers are always thinking we need to change. Right? And and the problem is is then again, we make it emotional because we make it about ourselves.
Tim:Mhmm.
Michelle Zink:Okay? And I've gotta say over the last couple of years, I've gone through my transit you know, I think if you are someone who seeks out to be a high achiever and who wants to keep on growing, then you're gonna go through periods of where you are emotional about some things, and then you're able to let it go. And then you get emotional. So, like, when we make it about ourselves and when we make it about because I've I think I've always been about changing myself. And then only over the last few years, it's like, you know, what if I am perfect in a sense where there really is nothing I want like, I need, like, need versus want.
Michelle Zink:Right? Need to change. But if I wanted to do something differently, what might that be?
Tim:Absolutely. Absolutely.
Michelle Zink:And that changes the whole thing. Even this weekend, I was like, I need to do blah blah blah. And I was like, okay. Michelle, that's the ego coming in. That's your, you know, person who's trying to keep you safe.
Michelle Zink:You don't need to do anything. Like, you need not do nothing. And what do you really wanna do? Because when we can really get into that, especially I'm not saying men don't go through this, but women especially are always putting everybody else ahead of them. And so when I'm asking them, like, what do you want?
Michelle Zink:A lot of times, they don't even know what they want because they've been so habitualized on asking everybody else what they want. They've never put their priorities and it's like and we seem selfish when we put ourselves first. And I am here to tell everyone, women, especially who I work with, because the women I work with are not selfish. They're the opposite. They're giving, giving, giving, and they need I actually ask them to be more selfish because I'm like, you know, you're giving way too much, and I know, you know, I don't want you to work so hard.
Michelle Zink:I don't want you to do all these things for everybody else. Like, you wanna be a great mom? Awesome. What do you wanna do for yourself in the morning before your kids get up? Like, let's start changing this around and realizing, like, if we start doing more for ourselves, not from a place of we need to change ourselves, from a place of they'd want to, they'd love to, inspire to, like, what are small things we can do to start making ourselves feel better?
Michelle Zink:Because if we feel better, well, then when you talk about this being part, then you can actually be and do the things that are more in alignment with your truth as opposed to your ego or the need to fit in or do something because of other people.
Tim:Absolutely. It's well, I say I say this to virtually all the clients I work with at some point. Everything in this universe is in an energy exchange. Everything we do, the energy that you and I are exchanging right now, you may not be able to see it, but it is an energy exchange. The food we eat, the the sunlight that that hits our body, that that fuels this planet, that gives us life.
Tim:I mean, everything is an energy exchange, and it's the awareness of that energy and how are we engaged in relationship with it. You know, when you talk, I'm in I I love love this again. You're talking about women who are commonly putting people first. It's it's what they're accustomed to and telling them to be selfish. And it's like, absolutely.
Tim:Especially I think I think sometimes people can have them, you know, we it's the knowledge of the heart versus the knowledge of the head. Right? And it's like the knowledge of the head is selfish. Alright. I'm gonna go out and I'm gonna I'm gonna be this dominating and, you know, like this.
Tim:And it's like for somebody who doesn't have a strong practice of that, going out and being selfish usually isn't this over dominant kind of experience. It's a, you know, it's this sort of new new venture into, relationship that they they haven't tried before. Right? And it's called being selfish. But I would say it's not necessarily being selfish.
Tim:It's what if you're honoring the authentic in you before you honor the authentic in others? It's it's that aspect of, because sometimes our egos can just take it. I'm I'm gonna be selfish and I'm selfish and it's like all of a sudden it's like you can go do that, but I'll tell you there there's gonna come some other lessons along with that that'll be like going, you know and I don't know if you've experienced this, but I've experienced with a number of different clients I've worked with is, okay, you went and set boundaries, but look at how you set the boundaries. You you set it as if you were already defensive rather than honoring who you were in the process. And they're like, oh, I can alright.
Tim:I can see that. It's, you know, it's it's it's sort of that honoring that's why I love the word honor because if we can truly honor the divine that's in us, the essence that's in us. And what I'm hearing you say is is these women who have so graciously learned over, you know, or been in practice of really caring for other people, care for yourself first. I tell when I do my corporate trainings, I always tell the the group. I say, make sure you charge your battery first.
Tim:Because like your cell phone, if you're out there charging everybody else's, you're gonna be DMT. You're gonna be drained. You're gonna be and you may be thinking you're doing good, but the truth of the matter is is they're not getting what they need from you because your battery's dead. So it's sort of that that aspect. So what were you gonna say?
Tim:I'm sorry.
Michelle Zink:No. I was gonna say I agree. And the and what I think too I what I find and what works for me is testing things. Because I think, again, we get into this idea of we need to know the right answer or we need to do the right thing. Okay?
Michelle Zink:And so then we seek out and I used to do this all the time, reading so many books just to gather, like, the right thing to do, quotes. But the reality is is there is no right thing. There's just something that feels right for you. And so I love like, and I do it for myself too. When I'm feeling overwhelmed, I just what what's one thing on test?
Michelle Zink:Like, in this problem that I'm feeling, what's one thing I wanna test and just see if it makes me feel good? And then the reality is is once you start getting to this testing mentality, then it's like then you can start noticing if if it feels good, doesn't feel good, and just make all these little tweaks, you know, to get there. Because a lot of times when I talk to my clients and it's about being more selfish, it's usually about, like, maybe eating better, getting up and exercising, taking time between their work and their family life, like creating that transition period where maybe they do something for themselves before they jump into their family. Like, those are the things that people, you know, wanna do that they feel uncomfortable doing just because they're so used to, like you're saying, go, go, go, and, like, no no breaks in between. Right?
Michelle Zink:Because we just gotta push and, do all these things when the reality is is, like, you can get more done if you actually do the things that are in alignment with what you wanna create. And so many times, we're doing things because society or we've just done them forever, and we never question, like, is this action getting me the result I want? And maybe it's something I need to take out. Maybe there's things I need to take out of my life in order to have more fulfillment or even more growth.
Tim:Yeah. Yes. Absolutely. As you were sharing that so do you like Christmas movies?
Michelle Zink:Love Christmas movies. Yes.
Tim:Okay. I'm gonna take it a little sideways here. So, what is it? The the Christmas story with Ralphie and the Red Ryder be be began? It makes me think of towards the beginning when they're sitting down to dinner and Ralphie's voice over, the guy that does the voice over says, my mom hadn't had a warm meal in 9 years because she was always serving everybody else at the table.
Tim:And then about the time she sat down to eat hers, something else came up and it was just like yeah. I mean, that's just the image that came to me and, you know, here it is on this this well known movie. So
Michelle Zink:Yeah. I know it's giving, like, women permission, right, that we can do things differently.
Tim:Oh, yes.
Michelle Zink:And you know what I mean? And from a place, like you're saying, from the heart. Like, a place from love. Like, we wanna be if I know for women especially especially, excuse me, if they have children or don't have children, they're usually very relationship driven. And so they want to even if they're not married, like, whatever it is, they wanna be able to be fully engaged with their friends, fully engaged with their family, fully engaged with their husband, whatever the case may be.
Michelle Zink:And so it's like giving them permission to, you know, how can we possibly do something a little bit different, and how could it possibly make you feel a little bit better? And like Gabby Bernstein always talks about, like, our ultimate goal is to make ourselves feel better because when we do, we do and be differently. Right? And so we get different results.
Tim:Absolutely. Absolutely. And it's changing the energy. It's changing I call it changing the process. Light a little secret folks out there.
Tim:We're never done.
Michelle Zink:Well, until we're done.
Tim:Well, Well, and we don't know beyond that. Who knows? Maybe beyond then
Michelle Zink:That's true.
Tim:Even then it's a whole another lesson after that. But at least in in this physical realm, we're never done. I mean, you could be the the king of a country. You could be the the executive of a business. You could be just an individual person out there in the world.
Tim:Life's gonna bring you lessons. Are you open to the lessons and how are you processing the information to learn and grow and evolve from those lessons? I mean, it's and that's why having, you know, you, Michelle, someone who really has that energy, that vibe, that awareness, that knowledge, that creative experience or creative, wisdom with applicable intuition. You know, this the these are skills that finding that combination, finding the person that really or the people that really kind of support you on your path. There's a reason why there's a reason why you're listening to this podcast today.
Tim:I don't know what it is. Do you? Do have you even inquired as to why this information is coming to you today? Maybe it's just a gift. Maybe it's just planting a seed.
Tim:Maybe it's just a reference you might use at a later time. But there is some reason why this actually showed up in your world today. And with what you're sharing, Michelle, let's kinda change gears a little bit. So let's go to a broader sense because we're talking about working with individuals, but let's go to a broader sense. A lot of people in our world today have become very reactionary, very worked up, stressed, anxiety, righteous.
Tim:I mean, and I I don't care what part of the population you're in, it's it's kind of prevalent throughout if you're objective and can can see it. Would you agree that this is sort of a common energy that's going on in our world right now?
Michelle Zink:Yes.
Tim:Michelle? Yeah. What are your thoughts around it? I mean, just loosely in general.
Michelle Zink:Well, I I think it really comes to I know this word boundaries is really coming into play a lot lately, but it's really like figuring out what you wanna create and then sticking with that. So for instance, let me give you an example. For me, I I already know myself and I can make up negative things in my brain without even watching the news. Right? I mean, I can make stuff up all the time.
Michelle Zink:So for myself, personally, I don't even engage with the news. I really pray that the world is going to work out and that everything's gonna be okay, and I know a lot of people think that might be a Pollyanna type thing, but I just know for myself, in order for me to to show up to show up amazingly to my clients and to be open to possibilities and to even have a chance of growing this business to the dream that I see it as, I've gotta make sure that I'm only inputting things that make me feel good, and news does not make me feel good. Right? So when we're out there and people are saying, well, because of the the economy or because of whatever, it's like, I mean, I can't control the economy. I cannot control the economy.
Michelle Zink:I can't control the government. But what I can control is, like, what I'm thinking, what I'm doing, and how I'm being in my family and in my business. So I'm really big, and I tell my clients, my friends, I'm like, if something really big happens, like, tell me because I won't even know about it. Like, I won't even know because I am not even, like I don't even get on social media as frequently as maybe the average person. And so I might not even know about something, which again might sound like, man, she's real naive or, you know, blocking off the world.
Michelle Zink:That doesn't really sound like a great idea. But I know for me personally that that extra stuff doesn't make me feel good. And then when it comes to the shows I watch and the things that I do, like, I wanna watch shows that do have happy endings a lot of times because it makes me feel good. And Mhmm. Our brains and we are wired to look for negative things and to think negativity.
Michelle Zink:It's way harder to think positive. So I know this. I've seen it. I've tested it on myself. Like, anything I do with my clients, I've tested.
Michelle Zink:Anything I talk about, you know, mistakes I've made or mistakes, I've tested them. Like, I believe me, I made all the mistakes. And so that's what's so great about it because I also learned my limitations. And my limitations are, is I gotta be really clear about the people I connect with, where I'm putting my energy as opposed to online, to news because it does affect me and affects how I show up for myself, my family, and my business. And those are my main priorities, and so I just put a blinder on.
Michelle Zink:I just don't take it in. And if it comes in, I allow it to go out or I might deal with it, like the fires in California and all these things. Like, it's not like I don't feel, but I also realize, like, what can I do? And I make a decisive decision of how I want to handle a sit situation and what I wanna do to make it positive for myself, and then I let it go. And I don't I try not to, allow other people's, like, posts on social media or things of that nature to sway the way I've decided to handle something.
Tim:Absolutely. I'm a proponent of what you do. You you know, you said people call it Pollyanna and I I for for quite honestly, for decades, I've heard people tell me what's going on around the world and it's like there there's a do you know who Wayne Dyer is?
Michelle Zink:Yes. Sarah Blakely, you know, loves Wayne Dyer. Do you know who Sarah Blakely is?
Tim:I know the name.
Michelle Zink:She's one of my so Sarah Blakely, Reese Witherspoon are, like, 2 of my favorite people because they've created multiple streams of income,
Tim:through businesses.
Michelle Zink:And so Sara Blakely Sara Blakely was the founder of Spanx.
Tim:Oh, okay. Since Okay.
Michelle Zink:Hold it. Whatever. But she went through her parents got divorced when she was in high school, I think, and her dad gave her these Wayne Dyer tapes. And so she started listening to them from a young age. She also had some tragedies happening to her.
Michelle Zink:Like, I feel like a friend died. I can't remember all these things. But, like, even when she first started her business, she'd have her first employees listen to Wayne Dyer.
Tim:Oh, yeah. Well, I you know, the wisdom that that Wayne, you know, shared with the world, he he had a book out there called the wisdom of the ages. And it was a book where it wasn't you could read it cover to cover, but he even in the intro, he designed it. He's, like, going, you know, if look for look in the table of contents and look for something that speaks to you or or just pick a topic or something like this. And what it was is he took a historic either ancient or, you know, maybe more recent poem or, sonnet or writing something like this and then he'd write like a 2 or 3 page essay on it.
Tim:And there was this this the subject that I picked was knowing, that was knowing and it was on a I think it was a a kind of like a poem from Lao Tzu or something like that. And but what I really took away from this essay that he had written is people will fight to the death over something that they know about that's been told to them that they've they've taken on as their own, but they have no actual experiential knowing of the experience. Like and when I read that, I I I read it over and over again because I was just like, that's the human yeah. It's like, oh, I know about this. And it's like going, no.
Tim:You don't. You're not in Los Angeles. You're not in the fires. It's great that you can have empathy and compassion or or your judgment, you know, because you you get the whole spectrum that goes, you know, towards these events. And I always come back to yeah.
Tim:Our human egos can weaken us so much because we get so righteous about what we know. And the news, people call it news, and it's like going you know, like like you said, or I've said this for decades, if you can't influence it, if you can't directly help or or, you know, even acknowledge that it's in your space to do something about, then it's not in your world. It it may be in the greater world, but even even there's a war going on in the other, you know, another country in Ukraine or something like this, I can have compassion. I can have sympathy, but I can't do anything about it, and I'm not gonna go over there to do anything about it. So I can do something about my immediate world.
Tim:And say like you said, setting boundaries, having that, you know, does this information, does this news fill me? Like, when you say people say, oh, you know, you might be Pollyanna. It's so funny when I hear that from people, I'm like going, usually the people that are saying that are the weak ones in the room because it's their ego that wants to be right about how wrong things are. It's so easy to go low. It's so easy to go low.
Tim:It takes real character, real creativity, and real internal strength to consider somebody or something outside of ourselves.
Michelle Zink:Yeah. What you're just saying, which I love, when I was younger, I was just so thought I knew everything, and I would be very judgmental. I would judge people. And I knew that wasn't right and or I don't I don't know, right or wrong, whatever. I didn't that didn't feel really in alignment with who I was.
Michelle Zink:And so I've learned through the years to just be so open. And that's why I love saying that I'm an advisor or coach or consultant, whatever you wanna say because I'm not gonna tell you, like, this is how you have to do it. Because reality is is that with the way I've tested it and think it works, like, you need to test it and see if it works for you. Right? So it's, like, so much fun to have people say, no.
Michelle Zink:I'm not gonna do that. Like, I was just talking to a client last week and I was we're talking about an employee and we're oh, contractor, maybe maybe concise here. A contractor and having them do something. And I was like, well, I think you really need to get more or get better about defining what success is each week and, like, really knowing, like, what that what needs to get done, how many hours, all these different fun things that I like to do with my clients for jobs costing and things of that nature. And she's like, well, I don't wanna do that because, you know, people should just come and be able to do the work they wanna do.
Michelle Zink:Sure. They should. Right? They should. They should.
Michelle Zink:And then once I let her, like, kinda go and, like, all this around, we came back to what she really wanted. And then it was like she was like, yeah. I think I really need to define what this person needs to do in a week.
Tim:Yeah.
Michelle Zink:Exactly. Right? But I but in my career, I've always been like, things have been forced down my throat. And I don't know about you, but when someone tells me, like, you have to do something, I mean, guess what I don't wanna do? Is that one thing?
Tim:Yeah. Oh.
Michelle Zink:So it's like the more we can just be open to be like and that's when how people act or even in the news or whatever and people judge them. I'm like, we don't know what their history has been, what their past people do things because of the way they've been treated and experienced whatever. People don't just act to act. They act because of something that's happened to them. So instead of, like even when I see things, I'm I might get upset about it and I'm like, I wonder maybe what they've gone through in order to have this type of response.
Tim:Yeah.
Michelle Zink:Right? So it's like instead of judging, like, I love one of the words I love to help my clients do is, like, when they're working with people and either it could be a client or a contractor or an employee, maybe does something that they don't understand. It's like, ask them. Help me to understand. Because once you do that, then you're opening up the lines of communication.
Michelle Zink:Right? And you're able to understand. And that's why, to be honest, the news doesn't really help me because I can't ask any questions. I can't feel like, hey. Tell me about this.
Michelle Zink:And, you know, they say they're supposed to be nonjudgmental or whatever, but we all know everyone has a bias. That's
Tim:Oh, yeah.
Michelle Zink:That's human. And and we're all human. Right? So it's like, to me, also, the news, you know, doesn't help because I'm not able to, like, have a back to back and forth conversation and really learn about the nuances of it. Like, I know things I used to be a black and white person, and I know that there's rare things that are black and white.
Michelle Zink:There's there are always some gray and some color and some nuances that make a person do you say be who they are being.
Tim:Yeah. I'm I'm with you. I I understand why people do the black and white. The thing is is it's a false sense of security that I notice. It's just like going, if I can hang my hat on being right about something, then I don't have to I don't have to put myself out.
Tim:I don't have to consider anymore. You're wrong or you're right. Right? Yeah. And we don't live in a black and white world.
Tim:We live in a world of 10,000 shades of gray. And when we sit there in this black and white awareness, it's interesting. You go you talk about journalism and, you know, yeah, I I always assumed and thought that journalism was supposed to be objective. Well, no. I mean, we've learned especially in the last, what, decade or 2, that journalism is entertainment nowadays, unfortunately.
Tim:But the whole idea of it being objective, I remember this was years years years ago. I saw this 60 minute episode and the interviewer came out and I think it was when marijuana was legalized in Colorado. Right? It was like the 1st year. And this guy is asking these questions of these people and he's, you know, he's in this very delicate voice and and kind of nice and all this.
Tim:But as I was listening to his questions, how he asked the questions, not what he said, but how he asked the questions was always slanted, like, but aren't you doing something wrong? And I was just, like, going, this is a great example if I could show it to people. People think because they said this, because it was on video. It's like going, there are so there is so much more information taking place than just what you see with your eyes. I got my degree in communications and years ago I learned that there was this model, you know, how like, you know, in the industries they have certain models that align with those industries.
Tim:Well, in communication, this model and I can't remember exactly what it was called. But the guy came up with that in a 2 person conversation, so, like, with me and you, there's actually a minimum of 6 different perspectives taking place at one time. There's what I'm saying and there's what you're saying and then there's my interpretation of what I'm saying to you and your interpretation of what you're saying to me. And then I'm trying to interpret what you've said versus what I've and I'm like, you know, and people, they go, communication is you know, it's like going just because you're putting out information, just because you're putting out words doesn't mean you're effective.
Michelle Zink:100%. And that's why when you're saying that, I was thinking about was that's why I really love people to not communicate as much through especially if you have a contractor or an employee that you're working with, less through email and more through Zoom or in person because not only do I want to see the individual so I can see how they react to what I'm saying, I also wanna hear their tone and things of that nature. And it's real it's real easy to kind of escape communication when you're through email or even a phone call, to be honest. It's I like to see and hear someone so that I can see how they like, how their body language or their facial expressions, you know, respond to what I'm saying because then that gives me more information on what's, like, the next question I could ask. But it also helps me to better communicate and better know if I am communicating effectively or not.
Michelle Zink:Because if I say something and they have a bad reaction to it, like their face, like, cringes or something, then I know, like, oh, wait. And I didn't mean that. Like, that wasn't the reaction I was looking for. Mhmm. Then I'm able to say, okay.
Michelle Zink:I think I messed up, and I didn't speak properly. Let's try again.
Tim:But see, that that's a great example. For, For years, I've I've trained people around effective communication. And part of the effective communication is, are you listening? And people like, oh, yeah, I'm listening. No.
Tim:You got information. But are you listening with your eyes? Are you listening with your gut? Are you listening to the energy and the experience of the person that's across from you? Some people have this gift naturally.
Tim:Some people are so, this isn't the best word, constipated that they don't listen effectively. They don't process effectively. They they they get kind of stuck. And it's like it's what you're saying is it's communication is more than just sharing information in words. It's not, you know, there there's a there's a some quote out there, but it goes something along the lines of, are you listening to learn or listening to respond?
Tim:Right? And that's why when you were talking about forms, like, talking with someone in person, I think one of the unfortunate I understand why people do it, but it it's it's such a misunderstanding. Text messaging. People think that text messaging is a good form of communication. Text messaging is good if I'm running 5 minutes late.
Tim:See you. Or having a conversation over text message, the the the realm of interpretation, the realm of tone, the realm of missing out on visual cues leads to so much angst and misinformation. I don't know about you, but I've worked with a number of clients where they brought in an upset that they've had to deal with. And, virtually, text messaging is a big part of the cornerstone of that upset. And I'm, like, going, really?
Tim:Do you think that's the most effective way? Well, no. Okay. And, usually, they kinda realize for themselves there's a little bit more. There's there's more for them.
Tim:So I just thought I'd show.
Michelle Zink:Well, no. And the thing is, Tim, I think with the what what I'm hearing too is, like, you know, we're just in this world where more is more and more is better. Right? And we're so used to I remember when I was in corporate, you know, my employee would come in, and I'm on my laptop. Oh, yeah.
Michelle Zink:I'm listening. What is you? Because I'm thinking I can't take the time right now to, like, stop my computer. I still need to be productive while I'm helping this person because this helping this person isn't productivity. Right?
Michelle Zink:It's a soft skill, and we don't value soft skills. So, like, when I was when I hired a coach to help me figure out, well, number 1, how to get along with my boss, and then number 2, what do I wanna do next? The biggest thing she had me do, and we I would practice this, was listening. Like, her whole thing was listening, and I had to like, when I first started exploring a career, I would give away free leadership coaching in my car, you know, at lunchtime, you know, when I was working in manufacturing or on the weekends, and my whole job was to listen. And I would listen and I would try to coach because I didn't I never got a coaching degree or certification.
Michelle Zink:I I was more apprenticeship. So I would coach someone, and then I would call her up and be like, okay. This is what I did. And this she goes, go back and ask this question. So I was like, I would just learn, like, through apprenticeship.
Michelle Zink:And the biggest thing I did was I learned to listen. And I think when people meet me, that's one of the biggest things that people say about me is that I'm fully listening. Like, I really only because I practice it. Right? I was not a good listener.
Michelle Zink:I didn't care about people in a sense that when I graduated college, you know, with a degree in accounting and finance, they didn't tell you about caring about people and how they could actually help your bottom line. Okay?
Tim:Yeah.
Michelle Zink:And then it was always about you need to produce, produce, produce. It wasn't and and multitask, which is such a lie. But anyway and right? But it's like, if you really wanna be great, and I really wanted to be great at coaching and advising and, like, I always wanna inspire and help people grow and, like, do things they never thought they could do before. And then to do that, you have to listen.
Michelle Zink:And like you're saying, not only listen with your ears, but with your eyes and everything else. So it's it's very it's but it's something people can learn. It's just if you want to learn the skill. Right?
Tim:Amen. It it is a well, as with everything in life, it is a practice, but I will tell you this. I I I was labeled learning disabled in the 1st grade. And so from then on I was like, you know, had to go to these special classes, do all this kind of stuff and I just processed my world. I learned how to process my world differently.
Tim:But how I had to process my world was I had to listen to people in ways I didn't realize I was listening to them. And so the interesting thing is the art of listening is vast. It is skillful, and it's amazing because when you learn to listen on such levels, you can make other people feel uncomfortable because you know things about them that they don't know about themselves. And it's not that you try to do it. It's not that you wanna do it, but it's it's just kinda what comes natural.
Tim:When you are truly listening, not only to their words, to their inflections, why this choice of information, there are so many layers. And if you can be aware of the layers that they are just naturally tripping through in in moments, I mean, these layers go through in moments. All of a sudden, you learn things about them. And I mean, I've had people, you know, even people from all other cultures. I mean, I I I've worked with some some divine ladies out of, Japan.
Tim:And and they're like, well, how do you know this? How did you and it's like, I just know it, which is really also known as I just I'm listening. Like, I'm listening on a level and the, you know, there's cultural differences there too. So that's a whole another layer of listening. There's upbringing layers.
Tim:There's there's there's so many layers to listening. And, you know, I mean, it's cliche, but it's the truth. There's a reason why, you know, god gave us 2 ears and one mouth. But we live in That's true. Yeah.
Tim:We live in this world that can't shut up. You know what I mean?
Michelle Zink:Exactly.
Tim:It sounds bad, but I'm, like, going, yeah, I'm sorry. You know? I mean, sometimes you you just gotta paint it for what it is. It's like quiet. Quit quit.
Tim:Stop talking. And then here we are on a podcast, right, Which is an audio podcast, which hopefully you're listening and not talking to the radio right now. No. Just kidding.
Michelle Zink:Well, hopefully you're listening and, you know, getting some exercise in. Okay.
Tim:Yeah. Yeah. Exactly.
Michelle Zink:Which I do love to do that though. I love to, like, put my you know, that's to me, that's a great multitasking because I'm getting some exercise and I can listen to great things. But yeah. And and that's reality too, Tim. Right?
Michelle Zink:It's like I had even with my business, I have to be so aware of where I'm spending, like, listening to because, or reading because so many times we could get, like, my clients as well as well. Right? We get so, like, this person's doing this one. I'm listening to this book, and I need to do this. And it's like so much time.
Michelle Zink:It's like back to like, again, what are your ideas? What do you wanna do? Because that's really what a lot of my work is about. It's all about well, all my work is about getting back to what's what they need, what they want, and what their true desires are because I've definitely been someone in the past who has overconsumed because I'm searching and I need that solution and I think it's outside of me when the reality is is that it's right inside of me and we do need to slow down and we need to take quiet, which is not usual and it's very uncomfortable in the beginning, but that's really the key to figuring out, like, what we want, what we wanna do, all those types of things. But that's not the quick fix.
Michelle Zink:And so many people, we want an Amazon delivery of an amazing company, right, of a great body, of a perfect mindset. Like, we want that to be delivered at my door at our door at 3 o'clock. Like, that's normal thinking. Right. And it's okay.
Michelle Zink:And it's just when we look at that, we notice, well, I'm thinking that because this is what kinda society expects now is like quick fixes. But what if I wanna do like a long term? What if I really want to do something? A lot of times it is starting with listening. Like, let's actually and and even being aware of listening and, like, I can be really good at listening at work sometimes.
Michelle Zink:And then when I when I my husband calls or, you know, things of that nature, I'm not really engaged as much because I might be finishing up an email or whatever. And so it's, like, just being really aware of how we're interacting, listening to not only our work constituents, but, you know, our people in our family lives as well.
Tim:Absolutely. Absolutely. And I just wanna add one thing to that, and it's also having grace for ourselves. You know what?
Michelle Zink:Yes, having
Tim:a moment. Having grace in the fact of you know, there's gonna be times where you're not optimal. You you know, it's not it's not an opportunity for your ego to come out and judge you now and your saboteurs to take over and start running your your head trash. You know, the grace is or I I may not be as present right now, but at least I'm aware that I'm not as present as opposed to just not being present. Right?
Tim:And having that grace and being like, okay. I do wanna I do wanna be more intentional next time or moving forward. But, you know, I I got the I got the feedback. I got the information from the universe. I'm growing I'm growing forward.
Tim:That's what I call it.
Michelle Zink:Well, and you're hitting the nail on the head. Right? Because I grew up, and I probably got to my success, you know, in manufacturing from beating myself up. Like, that used to be my MO. Like, beat myself up.
Michelle Zink:I do a good job. And then as I got older, I realized, like, actually, when I beat myself up, yeah, I kept moving forward, but I never really dealt with reality because I was so hard on myself.
Tim:Mhmm.
Michelle Zink:Yeah. And so I created short term fixes, but I didn't really cause maybe, like, solve the root problem. And so that's one thing that I've been practicing and I've been, you know, holding space for my clients is, like, let's like you're saying, be more gentle with ourselves. And one thing I love to do for myself is, number 1, I love to laugh at myself. Like, Michelle, like, you just did that.
Michelle Zink:Like because I do things sometimes that I'm like, I can be so uptight sometimes. I I'm just thinking about where I wanna go, and I don't relax, and I forget to have fun. And these are just things that happen. But one thing that's really been helping me kind of relax a little bit and what I ask my clients too, it's like I like to, you know, first acknowledge where I am and then, like, what if? Like, what if I was supposed to yell at my daughter today?
Michelle Zink:Okay. Like, what do I wanna take from this? And just realize, like, okay. I may be I may be pushing myself a little bit too hard during the day. Like, let's go back.
Michelle Zink:You don't yell at someone unless usually you've been pushed. Right? And so it's like being able but if you don't allow yourself to do that, that's when you're just like, oh, I'm a horrible person. Forget it. Let me just move on.
Michelle Zink:When it's like, I've noticed that the greatest gift we just kinda screaming everything from the rooftop, is to slow down and realize, like, where might this be coming from? And where may I have a learning? Like, there could, again, small shifts. Like, we're not like, the way we create what we want is not through a big, humongous change. It's all these, like, little iterations, little shifts that if we're not slowing down and realizing, man, that was a tough day or and and not judging ourselves because, again, I help high achieving women.
Michelle Zink:You're obviously a high achieving man because you have a podcast and a book and everything else. Like, we if we just keep on, like, judging ourselves, we're never gonna realize, like, that maybe we could just take a small shift and make it easier on ourselves because I grew up thinking everything's gotta be hard.
Tim:Mhmm. Yeah. And what happens when you have that mindset, everything's gotta be hard, what shows up? Hard. Yeah.
Tim:Yeah. I'm
Michelle Zink:like, what if I can make this easy today? Like, even with working out or I'm trying to you know, I'm getting back into my like, a fitness routine and realizing, like, if I push myself to work out because I think I wanna lose weight, I'm not motivated. But if I but what I figured out for myself is what I what motivates me to work out every day is knowing that I actually show up for myself, my family, and my clients better. Nice. And that allows me to, like, okay, go down there and lift weights or go to and then also letting go of I have to do a certain thing.
Michelle Zink:Like right? Society says, maybe you shouldn't do spinning because you're shorter. Like, if you like spinning, do spinning. I don't care what you do. Like and so just allow myself to be like, just do something that's fun.
Tim:Absolutely.
Michelle Zink:That you like. And it's just like but if we push ourselves, we never are able to, like, see the grace we can give ourselves and then the easiness that can come from that.
Tim:Alright. So, we we first of all, I love that. And and the key element there, we're gonna we're gonna jump off at this point because the key element there is fun. Yeah. Find fun in your life.
Tim:Fun is a great absolute divine teacher. And if the world had more fun, we would be dealing with less of the BS that's going on in this world. What were you gonna say?
Michelle Zink:Amen.
Tim:Amen. I could I could talk with you for a whole another hour, several hours, but definitely going down this vein because I there's some other questions that keep coming up. But we're coming to the end of our time. Is there anything that how how does somebody get ahold of you, and is there anything you wanna offer or share to our listeners?
Michelle Zink:Sure. I mean, people can get a hold of me. I'm on LinkedIn under Michelle Zinc. I'm on Instagram, and I I included all that, so it should probably be in the show notes. Someone could always email me, michelleat lifeoholicllc.com.
Michelle Zink:I'm easily found, you know, all the places. What I'd love to offer to your listeners, and we're gonna create the link and it's gonna be in the show notes, is I have an alignment quiz that I created that asks specific questions about business, life, and self. It's because I'm I'm a big opponent. And what I learned in corporate was is that we are fully human, and so I really love to even though when I work with clients, we're about 75%, 80% on their business, they're still we're still touching on life and self because if those things are not in alignment, then work is, again, really hard. Right?
Michelle Zink:But if we tier ourselves up in those areas, work can be much easier. And so, I've created this alignment quiz, so I'd love to send that. Like, people can go and they can click and they set up a 45 minute conversation with me. And there's no sales. It's just to review the quiz.
Michelle Zink:So if they set up the, conversation, I send them the quiz because I haven't figured out how to make it in a quiz formula, so it's in, like, a Google Doc. So I'm gonna be honest, like, techno you know, figuring all that out. So keeping it real simple, I would send them the quiz, and then we'd set up a time to connect. And I what I really wanna do is help people to see where may they maybe where they might be out of alignment, not from judgment, but from an open perspective of, like, how we can possibly create small shifts. So then I will talk with them and figure out what are some small things that they could do that could, you know, that could possibly help them to feel better.
Michelle Zink:Because my ultimate goal is to help women to feel better because when you feel better, you elevate. And then I'm a big believer in the, trickle down effect. And so, like, if you as a woman are happy in your business life and self, then everyone who's around you feels that energy and then they can be happier. And then they're then the people they connect with are happier and all these different things. Like, we don't know how when we go to the grocery store and if we slow down a minute and ask the cashier, how are they doing, and have a little bit of conversation with them, how that could possibly brighten their day and make them happier.
Michelle Zink:Right? And so I'm real big on, like, helping people be more of the light so that they can help others. Because as we say, there's so many bad things that are happening in the world, so many natural disasters and things that we cannot control, and guess what we can control? We can control how we interact with individuals, what we say to people. And so by offering this to your audience is not about them working with me.
Michelle Zink:It's about helping them to elevate themselves, find out maybe something they didn't even know that they were maybe out of alignment in and how they can level up and you know, be the light to the people that they they are engaged with. And in the same sense, possibly grow their business and grow a team that can help support them so that they can free themselves up and do the things that they really wanna do.
Tim:Great. Great. Yeah. I, I wanna, back you up and say, yes. I am absolutely you know, whether it's our listeners, your clients, my clients, souls out there in the world travel on their journeys, everything you do in life sits upon you.
Tim:You are the essence that is your world. And if you are if that falls in least amount of focus or last place, it's gonna, it's gonna be a, a hard road. And so learning to honor yourself while you're creating your life, that is a valuable experience. And that's why, you know, what Michelle just shared. I just wanna back her up and and reinforce, you know, if if you're a woman entrepreneur out there looking for someone who has this kind of awareness and track record, I would say, you know, take the quiz, see what you can learn, see what information's there because I have the pleasure of, you know, hanging out with Michelle every so often, and it's always a blessing when I do.
Tim:So, thank you so much, Michelle. Really, really appreciate you. To those folks out there that are listening, thank you so much for taking the time, for inviting us into your world. If you have any thoughts that this is useful or helpful and wanna pass it along, please refer us out, pass it along to one of your friends, family, whatever. If you liked it, give us a like, give us a review.
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